California Capitolweek #531

4/13/01

 

Energy Summit #4

 

 

((Jack))

Thanks for joining us.

 

We promised a special edition on Proposition 36, the new way the state will deal with non-violent drug offenders, but we are moving that show to next week because of developments in our energy crisis.

 

((Melissa))

The new developments involve the state’s major private utilities; one is broke, and one has signed a deal with the governor.

 

((Jack))

Coming on the first business day after PG& E filed for bankruptcy, the Governor signed a deal to buy Southern California Edison's transmission lines.

 

The cost, more than two billion dollars.

 

It helps Edison recover some of its multibillion-dollar debt from consumers.

 

Edison would use ratepayer money to back the sale of bonds to investors, taking the proceeds to refinance its debt.

But the deal is far from done; the state legislature must approve parts of the deal.

 

Edison officials hope it will hold off bankruptcy.

 

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((Gary Stern, Southern California Edison))

The deal that we announced with the Governor earlier this week, we hope that we’re now on a path, subject to approval through the legislature and the PUC, to avoid bankruptcy.

 

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((Melissa))

Edison also urged federal intervention in the form of wholesale price caps, an issue stressed at congressional hearings this week in California.

 

Everyone from farmers to the PUC weighed in at House Government Reform Committee meetings.

 

The goal?  Educating Congress about the state’s energy crisis.

 

Also this week, several state lawmakers traveled to Idaho to push for price caps and immediate federal action.

 

They met with the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission and 11 officials from other Western states.

 

No decision was made on price caps, but the bi-partisan delegation hopes the feds are getting the message California needs their help.

 

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((Robert Hertzberg, Assembly Speaker [D]))

This economy can’t stand it.  The federal government has to step up to the plate.  If it was a fire or a flood or some other natural disaster, they would be here, and we were there to send that message.

 

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((Jack))

Despite all the news this week, the bottom line is demand is outpacing supply. 

Experts predict as many as 30 blackouts this summer.

 

So what, if anything, is the good news?

 

((Melissa))

Joining us now: 

Michael Shames, with the Utility Consumers Action Network,

 

Gary Ackerman, with the Western Power Trading Forum that represents more than 30 in and out of state power generators.

 

((Jack))

Also with us Republican Anthony Pescetti, vice chair of the assembly energy costs and availability committee.

 

Senator Debra Bowen , Democrat from Marina Del Ray.  She is chair person of the Senate Energy Commission.

 

And John Nelson with Pacific Gas and Electric.

 

((Melissa))

Thank you all for being with us.  John, we’re going to start with you today.  We gathered at the same time last week, and we hoped to avoid bankruptcy [of the utilities], and the Governor had his big speech Thursday, and then the announcement from PG&E.  Why the big surprise?

 

((John Nelson, Pacific Gas and Electric))

It was a decision that was building, and it was a decision that we had warned opinion leaders in San Francisco and Sacramento that it was building, particularly over the last two weeks when the PUC enacted a number of provisions on March 27th that we felt were very harmful.  We warned the PUC in advance, they did that and took those steps anyway—

 

((Melissa))

And is it true that since December PG&E has been ready to file for bankruptcy?

 

((John Nelson, Pacific Gas and Electric))

No, since December we’ve been trying to stave off bankruptcy.  We reached a point last Friday though where it was very clear that the negotiations with the state were going in the wrong direction.  The actions that the PUC was taking were costing us millions of dollars a day.  There didn’t appear to be any forward way out of that.  Clearly, our CEO and our company felt that the best path for us to be stable is to seek protection in bankruptcy court.

 

((Jack))

Okay.  Senator Bowen, if PG&E had no choice and had to go into bankruptcy to protect themselves, doesn’t that same dynamic apply to Southern California Edison?

 

((Senator Debra Bowen, [D] Marina Del Rey))

No, Edison has a slightly different problem.  They’ve been willing to negotiate to avoid bankruptcy, but the problem is whether it makes sense for California’s ratepayers and taxpayers to acquire a third of the transmission system.

 

((Jack))

Could we been in a situation where California acquires the transmission system from Edison and they still go bankrupt?

 

((Senator Debra Bowen, [D] Marina Del Rey))

It’s possible, but the acquisition of the transmission system from both PG&E and Edison was designed to keep the companies out of bankruptcy.  The problem, obviously, in acquiring one part of it is if you acquire a third of a bridge, you’re very likely to get wet.

 

((Jack))

Some of the reportage on that deal indicates that there is a clause in that agreement that would prevent Edison from getting into the situation that it was in previously, meaning that rates would automatically go up if the price of wholesale power went up beyond what they could capture from their customers, so that’s almost an automatic rate increase.  Is that correct?

 

((Senator Debra Bowen, [D]Marina Del Rey))

Yes, that’s how I understand it.  It doesn’t look like there is much in the agreement, in the MOU to recommend to ratepayers, although it looks like a great deal for generators and Edison’s shareholders. 

 

((Melissa))

All right, Michael.  Where does this leave ratepayers?

 

((Michael Shames, Utility Consumers Action Network))

Well, the MOU is out there.  It’s going to be analyzed by the legislature—

 

((Jack))

MOU, memorandum of understanding?

 

((Michael Shames, Utility Consumers Action Network))

That’s the deal between the Governor and Southern California Edison.  It’s there.  It’s going to be reviewed.  It’s a very complex document.  Really, the question that we’re facing and that we’re trying to focus on is, “What’s going to happen this summer and this year?  How big a hole is this state going to be digging itself financially?”  We’re very nervous on the implications of the costs that could be racked up on the state’s consumers in purchasing in the wholesale market this summer.  It’s scary.

 

((Jack))

The speaker came back from a meeting in Boise, which you attended Mr. Pescetti, and he speculated that the state of California might spend about 64 billion dollars just to buy power this year.  The Oakland Tribune reported today—and we’re taping this program late Wednesday—they have a figure from the California State Energy Commission that the state may be spending seventy billion dollars buying power.  Where are we going to get that money?

 

((Assemblyman Anthony Pescetti, [R] Rancho Cordova))

You know, we have to keep in mind that when they’re talking about the state purchasing electricity, it’s not necessarily the state of California, but it could power—in essence, what the consumer is going to be buying for the whole state, so right now, the anticipation is that the state is spending in the neighborhood of 50 million dollars per day is the cost that ultimately will be the ratepayers of the state and then the remaining will come from the consumers in the service areas.

 

((Melissa))

Gary, Have we seen the highest rates from a wholesale perspective?  Is this the tip of the iceberg?

 

((Gary Ackerman, Western Power Trading Forum))

I don’t think it is.  I think that prices are stabilizing around a midrange, which makes some people uncomfortable, somewhere in the thirty to sixty cent range.  I made the range fairly wide in answering your question, but the future prices that we’re seeing for this summer is that forty cents to fifty cents per kilowatt hour is what the wholesale price is going for today.  It will move up and down as we approach the summer, and, of course, deliveries will be made in July, August, and September.  That’s what we consider the summer months.

 

((Jack))

You mentioned forty to fifty cents a kilowatt hour.  In the first two years after deregulation in California, there was a price cap at fifteen cents a kilowatt hour, just to put that into perspective so that viewers understand where the market is going—

 

((Gary Ackerman, Western Power Trading Forum))

Actually, the price cap in real-time purchases by the independent system operators started out at twenty-five cents, I believe.  Then, it was jumped up to seventy-five cents; then it was down to fifty cents, and then finally a quarter.  But when it was lowered last summer, average prices went up, which didn’t help consumers at all.

((Jack))

All right, just so that viewers can understand and take a look at their bill and get an idea of where this is, we are paying for power at roughly seven cents a kilowatt hour now, depending on where you are.

 

((Gary Ackerman, Western Power Trading Forum))

Well, for the wholesale portion it’s on average around seven cents, and what I was talking about with the thirty to forty cents were spot prices, so if you didn’t hedge your bets in any way, you would feeling the full brunt of the wholesale price.

 

((Jack))

So does that mean that my electric bill has to fill in the gap?

 

((Senator Debra Bowen, [D] Marina Del Rey))

Well, somebody’s electric bill has to, and the PUC is now designing a rate structure that places some of the burden on residences.  Less of it because the first increments on use for residents will be protected, and there are significant rate increases posed for businesses of all sizes, schools, hospitals, and all other types of users, but we’re talking about power that costs two to three cents a year ago costing thirty to forty cents now during the lowest usage time of the year, and predictions are that it could go as high as a dollar or a dollar-fifty for power that used to, again, cost two to three cents.  There’s no way the state can finance that without going into bankruptcy.

 

((Melissa))

We’re hearing a lot this week at some of the hearings that the message seems to be “The state can’t fix what is broken alone.  We need federal help.  We need federal help in the form of price caps.”  Assemblyman Pescetti, you were at a hearing this week where the topic of price caps came up, but the FERC still does not seem to embrace that idea, but there is a new trend now with market-based or cost-based price caps.

 

((Assemblyman Anthony Pescetti, [R] Rancho Cordova))

Cost-based plus pricing is one of the proposals that was made yesterday by our delegation for—

 

((Melissa))

What does that mean from a consumer perspective?

 

((Assemblyman Anthony Pescetti, [R] Rancho Cordova))

Basically, what it would mean as related to the generators is that their cost plus whatever profit margin was acceptable would be the new rate.  The intent is try to get those prices from the wholesale market down from forty to sixty cents or higher down to something that may be in the neighborhood of ten to twelve cents a kilowatt hour.

 

((Jack))

So what’s wrong with that?  That sounds fair.

 

((Gary Ackerman, Western Power Trading Forum))

Sounds fair to those that are buying, but it doesn’t sound fair to those that are producing.  It really would be impossible to administer.  You’re talking about every power plant in the Western United States.  You just can’t isolate, for example, California and put price caps on every plant inside the state and just let everyone outside the state charge whatever market prices they want.  That kind of misallocation will definitely mess up the markets.  It might be that the state of California is chasing the wrong problem.  They keep on thinking that the markets are broken.  I’d like to know, “What if they’re wrong?”  If they’re wrong, they’re running the people of the state of California down a rabbit hole, and the real problem is this is the value of this commodity to people.  If you don’t want to pay it out of your pocketbooks, then you’re going to have to pay it out of your tax money, and if it doesn’t come out of either of those, then there’s not going to be power flowing.

 

((Melissa))

John, PG&E learned about the rapid rise in costs the hard way about what it could do to a business in terms of bankruptcy.  Is PG&E still a player in this game, or did bankruptcy in essence take you off the table?

 

((John Nelson, Pacific Gas and Electric))

No, we hope very much to be a player.  We still generate about forty percent of the electricity that our customers use, and there are difficulties in cost-based pricing for the entire western region.  We support that concept.  It’s something that we do.  We have pledged our generation at cost-plus-based rates.  We also are going to play a major role in encouraging our customers to conserve energy.  We are going to spend tens of millions of dollars to do that.  We absolutely want to be a player in this.  We have to be.

 

((Jack))

Michael, PG&E is now in bankruptcy.  There is always the possibility that Edison could go into bankruptcy as well?

 

((Michael Shames, Utility Consumers Action Network))

Sure.

((Jack))

So we could be looking at bankruptcy all across the board?

 

((Michael Shames, Utility Consumers Action Network))

Sure.

 

((Jack))

In that situation, you’ve got a judge, and the judge’s job—not being a bankruptcy lawyer, I’m not an expert on this, but I’d assume that the judge’s job is to the get the cash flow and the money going out and the money coming in stabilized a bit to get the company where it can survive and move forward.  Does that mean that the judge can come in and tell the Public Utilities Commission that they need to triple the rates for, say, six months to provide a cash flow to keep these companies alive?

 

((Michael Shames, Utility Consumers Action Network))

You’re asking one of those questions that lawyers can debate for years, and, in fact, they probably will because it’s a Constitutional question, and it’s not clear to anybody what power that judge has to increase rates.  One thing the judge will do, and this is for certain—the judge’s job is to protect the interests of the creditors and see that they get paid in some fashion somehow while trying to preserve the viability of the company.  That’s what the judge will be focused on.  That judge will not care about the public interests.  He will not care about the state’s welfare.  He will not care about energy policy in the state.

 

((Jack))

Let’s take a hypothetical.  Let’s say that I am an out of state generator and I am owed billions of dollars, could the federal judge say, “Okay, instead of cash, we’ll give you Diablo Canyon?”

 

((Michael Shames, Utility Consumers Action Network))

Yes.

 

((Jack))

What happens next?

 

((Michael Shames, Utility Consumers Action Network))

That’s my greatest fear.  My greatest fear is that the bankruptcy judge will oversee the sale of important, strategic assets of PG&E, Edison, and SDG&E, so that the state will lose additional control over the energy policy in the state.  We will lose assets that, right now, are under state control and state rates to the same companies that have been gouging California shamelessly, and that’s the horror story.  That’s the thing that keeps me up at night.

 

((Melissa))

Senator, how much power has been taken away from what lawmakers can actually do now that there has been a bankruptcy filing?  Does that sort of take the foot of off the negotiations?

 

((Senator Debra Bowen, [D] Marina Del Rey))

Well, Michael is really right.  What we get is a long list of legal questions.  The general rule in bankruptcy court is that federal bankruptcy litigation does not override the state’s laws that deal with public health and welfare.  That would suggest that the state laws that, for example, require the Public Utilities Commission to approve a sale of generation assets as being in the best interests of ratepayers would continue to apply, but, again, most of this is litigation that’s never happened before in this manner—

 

((Melissa))

Well, most people are saying it’s going to take a long time, so we’re hearing from a consumer perspective that they don’t want to wait, so what about seizing the plant.  In a state of emergency, the state has the power to do that.  Is that something that lawmakers might take a look at?

 

((Senator Debra Bowen, [D] Marina Del Rey))

Well, I think we’ve been looking at using the power of imminent domain for a long time, but a more refined version of that is to ask if it’s in the better interest of the state not to seize the plant itself—because in many instances they’re old and if they’re generating power at top prices, the cost right now might right now be higher than it will ever be in history, but the state has the ability to commandeer the output, and to pay a fair price for that output.  That would keep power from going out of the state of California.  I’m sure that Gary will say that it will also mean that others will not send power to California.  Again, there’s no easy answer.

 

((Jack))

So, it’s seize the power, not the plant?

 

 ((Senator Debra Bowen, [D] Marina Del Rey))

Well, you could do either, but if you seize a power plant, the state is required to post, in cash, the fair market value of that plant, and the question is whether it makes sense to take that much cash at a time when the plants because of costs are—

 

((Jack))

Phil Angelides was here last week, and he said that the legislature had done the math, and the purchase price of the power plants after deregulation was below what the state of California is paying for power, so why not do that?

 

((Assemblyman Anthony Pescetti, [R] Rancho Cordova))

Well, you know, I think when we look at the whole issue, there are a couple of things that we have to look at.  Since January, the Legislature gave the Governor the authority through the Department of Water Resources to purchase power.  We’ve been purchasing power for PG&E and Edison and, to a certain degree, Sempra, which is San Diego gas and electric, since February 1st, the middle of January, so the utilities have been able to collect the revenues based on their native generation plus the qualifying facility contracts.  The state’s taken the risk on everything else.  PG&E, last week within hours of announcing their bankruptcy, paid out in the neighborhood of fifty to sixty million dollars in bonuses to senior managers.  I’ve had a lot of people ask, “Well, where is all that money?”  So, I think as we look at—whether it’s the seizure of the electrons, the seizure of the power plants, or the purchase of the transmission—we need to take a look at the big picture, the impact that it’s going to have on those companies with permits and citing ability in California.  There are twelve or thirteen that have been approved.  Six of them are moving forward.  We hear the other six or seven are saying, “Wait a minute.  Time out.  We’re not sure we want to do business in California.”  All of the those decisions and whatever the legislature does and whatever the Governor does under his power will have a direct and indirect impact in the state of California, so we have to move with some caution, but whatever we do, we have to ultimately make sure that we protect the taxpayer.

 

((Jack))

On the bonuses, John, were you far enough down the food chain to qualify for one?

 

((John Nelson, Pacific Gas and Electric))

Actually, if I were a senior manager, I wouldn’t have received one.  The compensation package has been grossly misreported.  Six thousand of our employees, basically any employee who is not a union employee, got the portion of their compensation package that was due to them since January.  Union employees got it in January; it’s under contract.  Virtually the rest of the company got it last week.  It had been suspended since January as we were trying to stave off bankruptcy and conserve cash.  No officer of the company got any of those bonuses, and there is actually a portion of an employees salary that is set aside and awarded based on performance.

 

((Jack))

So, it was salary that was handed out?

 

((John Nelson, Pacific Gas and Electric))

That’s correct, and they were reduced.  They are smaller than they were last year because a portion of that award is based on the company’s performance.

 

((Jack))

Senator Bowen, why do I want the transmission lines?  I’m a taxpayer and the Governor and legislature are looking into buying them on my behalf.  Why do I want them?

 

((Senator Debra Bowen, [D] Marina Del Rey))

Well, when we were looking at acquiring all the transmission grid, it was because there are efficiencies of operation that you can get.  We’ve had instances where we’ve been unable to move power from one part of the grid to another due to bottlenecks.  There have been difficulties in citing distributed generation, microturbines, and on-site resources because every time you do that, the utilities get less money in their transmission rates because you don’t have to pay to use their transmission line if you’re generating on-site, so there are some things you can do with public ownership.  And you own it; you don’t have to keep paying rent every year.  Again, there is a question of whether that still makes sense if you’re not sure you can obtain the entire system.

 

((Melissa))

And let’s get to the bottom line too because the bankruptcy filing and everything that’s going on still doesn’t get to the heart of the issue.  Do we need more power and how is that going to help stabilize consumer rates?  So all these things on the table are really helping consumers out or bringing more power, so, Michael, where does that leave the consumers?

 

((Michael Shames, Utility Consumers Action Network))

Well, you’ve touched on what I think is the greatest area of frustration among people watching this program as well as consumers throughout the state.  What do we do, and what should we be expecting?  This summer looks to be a very tough summer.  We’ll have blackouts.  Prices may go up.

 

((Melissa))

Do we have options, Michael?  Is there anything that consumers can do?

 

((Michael Shames, Utility Consumers Action Network))

The individual consumer has two options.  One, from the demand sign, what the individual consumer knows how to do is to either buy something or not buy something, so the consumer does have a certain amount of power, pardon the pun, by choosing not to use power, and that’s the conservation angle, but it’s a limited tool.  You can’t win the war just based on that.  I think, ultimately, the state is going to have look at flexing its own ability, its power, to dictate the terms of what price the state will pay for power.  I think the state is going to have to be more aggressive this summer in the way it purchases power if we’re to get through the summer and not bankrupt the state.

 

((Jack))

What does that say to generators out there.  They look at the largest market on the west coast, California, and are told that California will only pay forty cents a kilowatt hour or fifteen cents a kilowatt hour.  How do they respond to that?

 

((Gary Ackerman, Western Power Trading Forum))

Well, they respond like they’ve always responded.  This is a market where you’re trying to maximize your profits for a given asset.  That’s always been the objective here.  These people who trade power—

 

((Jack))

I know, but if they say that they’ll just send that [power] to Arizona or Nevada, the market isn’t as big in Arizona or Nevada.

 

((Gary Ackerman, Western Power Trading Forum))

It doesn’t matter.  As long as I have someone to buy what I offer to sell, it doesn’t matter.  If I’m selling my home, and I have one person who comes by and buys it, I don’t care if there are a million people who want that home or just one person who wants that home.  I have my price that I’m selling my home at.  The same goes for power.  If I can find a willing buyer who will pay a price that I think is market-based, I’m for it.

 

((Jack))

There has been some discussion on these programs in the past on the issue that the purchase of the transmission grid is more political cover, that a financing deal could be worked out with the utilities without having to purchase the grid.  How much of it is cover?

 

((Senator Debra Bowen, [D] Marina Del Rey))

I think the idea was the same as buying a house instead of renting a house.  If you rent a house, you will pay the payments for that house every year, and you’ll also pay when there’s a new roof, the place needs to be repainted, all the maintenance and operation.  So the idea was, to take public ownership of an asset that we know will be used by the public for a very long period of time, so we’re paying every year in our rates, and the state, because it’s cost of borrowing money is lower and we don’t pay income taxes as a public entity, could acquire the transmission grid and stay at about the same rate for the transmission portion of the bill, which is relatively small.  So, it made some sense to do that.  It may still make sense to do that because people are paying in their bills every year for that transmission grid.  We need to be willing to do the same thing on the energy side.  I think as Californians, we need to be willing to say, “If the generators want to charge us forty cents, sixty cents, a dollar a kilowatt hour, that’s fine.  We will build it ourselves.”

 

((Melissa))

Assemblyman Pescetti, you wanted to respond to that?

 

((Assemblyman Anthony Pescetti, [R] Rancho Cordova))

Well, the Senator is right.  There were advantages at looking at acquiring the grid.  I don’t support taking over it, largely because when and before PG&E declared the bankruptcy, we were looking at about sixty percent of the transmission grid.  There was still forty percent that we would not be able to purchase.

 

((Jack))

And that would be like SMUD facilities?

 

((Assemblyman Anthony Pescetti, [R] Rancho Cordova))

Yeah, and LADWP—

 

((Jack)

Los Angeles, Palo Alto—

 

((Melissa))

It’s a disjointed ownership?

 

((Assemblyman Anthony Pescetti, [R] Rancho Cordova))

Right.  There are some advantages, but there are also some disadvantages.  You take the grid out and the state owns it, you lose the property taxes to cities and counties which means the state will have to—

 

 

((Michael Shames, Utility Consumers Action Network))

Anthony, don’t.  Please don’t—

 

((Assemblyman Anthony Pescetti, [R] Rancho Cordova))

Oh, no wait a minute, Mike—

 

((Michael Shames, Utility Consumers Action Network))

The consumer groups supported the purchase of the transmission—

 

((Assemblyman Anthony Pescetti, [R] Rancho Cordova))

You said, “We’re not going to pay for the taxes.”  Right now, PG&E, Edison, and San Diego Gas and Electric are paying property taxes—

 

((Michael Shames, Utility Consumers Action Network))

Yes, the proposal put on the table by the consumer groups contemplated that those taxes would continue to be paid—

 

((Assemblyman Anthony Pescetti, [R] Rancho Cordova))

By the state.

 

((Michael Shames, Utility Consumers Action Network))

By the owners of the transmission—

 

((Assemblyman Anthony Pescetti, [R] Rancho Cordova))

Which means the state.

 

((Michael Shames, Utility Consumers Action Network))

Fine.

 

((Assemblyman Anthony Pescetti, [R] Rancho Cordova))

Which means the 2.3 billion dollar cost now becomes a 3.3 billion dollar cost—

 

((Michael Shames, Utility Consumers Action Network))

Nope, not at all.  It’s included in the revenues.  You didn’t do your homework, Anthony.

 

((Assemblyman Anthony Pescetti, [R] Rancho Cordova))

No, Mike, I think you need to look at it because the property taxes—

 

((Melissa))

Let’s bring up this consumer group angle because the power of the consumers is growing as is the frustration, and as we approach the summer, it’s becoming as heated as the dialogue we just witnessed.  So, are should we be afraid of the initiative that’s being floated in terms of scrapping this whole deregulation process?

 

((Michael Shames, Utility Consumers Action Network))

Uh, I’m not just afraid of an initiative.  I’m afraid of a number of initiatives.  I’m afraid of this issue becoming highly politicized, not just by consumer groups but by a lot of groups who will have their input and who will feel that because things didn’t work out, they want to get their concerns saved.  I look at next summer being not only hot and dark, but it’s going to be very heated politically if we don’t fix the problem this year—

 

((Gary Ackerman, Western Power Trading Forum))

I think you’re pointing the chaos, and what the generators say is, “Please, let’s stop this insanity, and let’s get some order and lawfulness to this whole process.”  That’s why we really were relieved when PG&E voluntarily went into bankruptcy, and I think we’ll be equally relieved when Edison probably gets pushed into it in a few weeks.

 

((Jack))

You think that’s a fait accompli?  It’s only a matter of time?

 

((Gary Ackerman, Western Power Trading Forum))

Uh, it can’t be a fate accompli.  I’m saying it’s probable.

 

((Jack))

For the same reasons?  Because of the political chaos involved in this issue?

 

((Gary Ackerman, Western Power Trading Forum))

I don’t know if it’s the political chaos.  I believe that people haven’t been paid, and don’t see the money coming, and they’re going to force it.

 

((Jack))

All right, on that unhappy note, I think we’ve run out of time.  Thank you all for being here.

 

((Melissa))

We would like your feedback on this topic:

Should the state take over the transmission lines?

 

((Jack))

Send us an email to CapitolWeek dot org.  And while you’re there, log onto “At Issue: Energy” for the latest on the energy crisis.

 

((Melissa))

Thanks for all your email regarding last week’s question on how the state is handling the energy crisis.

You didn’t mince words:

 

Yvonne from Los Angeles writes:

 

“State government has been lax in making important decisions . . . and should take full responsibility.”

 

Bill from Sacramento thinks:

 

“The irony is that a price cap is what caused the current situation. The Governor and the P-U-C need a refresher course in basic economics.”

 

((Jack))

Melissa, Walter from Colfax addresses power producers and the prices they charge:

 

“ . . . there is no market price when you are dealing with a monopoly that is providing an absolutely necessary product . .”

Thank you for your comments

 

((Melissa))

Next week, our special on Proposition 36.   Treatment versus punishment, you decide.

 

Until then, I’m Melissa Crowley.

 

((Jack))

And I’m Jack Kavanagh.  Thanks for joining us and see you next time.